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FLUORIDE EXPERT APOLOGIZES FOR PUSHING POISON
Culture/Society
Editorial Keywords: FLOURIDE
Source: American Patriot Freedom Net
Published: December 5, 1999 Author: Barry Forbes
Posted on 03/09/2001 17:54:07 PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
Why'd you do it, Doc? Why'd you toss the fluoride folks
overboard?"
I had just tracked down Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D., in Biochemistry,
D.D.S., head of the Department of Preventive Dentistry for the University of
Toronto, and president of the Canadian Association for Dental Research.
Dr. Limeback is Canada's leading fluoride authority and, until recently, the
country's primary promoter of the controversial additive.
In a surprising newsmaker interview this past April, Dr. Limeback announced a
dramatic change of heart. "Children under three should never use
fluoridated toothpaste," he counseled. "Or drink fluoridated water. And
baby formula must never be made up using Toronto tap water. Never."
Why, I wondered? What could have caused such a powerful paradigm shift?
"It's been building up for a couple of years," Limeback told me
during a recent telephone interview. "But certainly the crowning blow was
the realization that we have been dumping contaminated fluoride into water
reservoirs for half a century. The vast majority of all fluoride additives come
from Tampa Bay, Florida, smokestack scrubbers. The additives are a toxic byproduct
of the super-phosphate fertilizer industry."
"Tragically," he continued, "that means we're not just dumping
toxic fluoride into our drinking water. We're also exposing innocent,
unsuspecting people to deadly elements of lead, arsenic and radium, all of them
carcinogenic. Because of the cumulative properties of toxins, the detrimental
effects on human health are catastrophic."
A recent study at the University of Toronto confirmed Dr. Limeback's worst
fears. "Residents of cities that fluoridate have double the fluoride in
their hip bones vis-a-vis the balance of the population. Worse, we discovered
that fluoride is actually altering the basic architecture of human bones."
Skeletal fluorosis is a debilitating condition that occurs when fluoride accumulates
in bones, making them extremely weak and brittle. The earliest symptoms?
"Mottled and brittle teeth," Dr. Limeback told me. "In Canada we
are now spending more money treating dental fluorosis than we do treating
cavities. That includes my own practice."
One of the most obvious living experiments today, Dr. Limeback believes, is a
proof-positive comparison between any two Canadian cities. "Here in
Toronto we've been fluoridating for 36 years. Yet Vancouver - which has never
fluoridated - has a cavity rate lower than Toronto's." And, he pointed
out, cavity rates are low all across the industrialized world including Europe,
which is 98% fluoride free. Low because of improved standards of living, less
refined sugar, regular dental checkups, flossing and frequent brushing. Now
less than 2 cavities per child Canada-wide, he said. "I don't get it, Doc. Last month, the Centers for Disease Control
(CDC) ran a puff piece all across America saying the stuff was better than
sliced bread.
What's the story?" "Unfortunately," he
replied, "the CDC is basing its position on data that is 50 years old, and
questionable at best. Absolutely no one has done research on fluorosilicates,
which is the junk they're dumping into the drinking water."
"On the other hand," he added, "the evidence against systemic
fluoride in-take continues to pour in."
"But Doc, the dentists."
"I have absolutely no training in toxicity," he stated firmly.
"Your well-intentioned dentist is simply following 50 years of
misinformation from public health and the dental association. Me, too.
Unfortunately, we were wrong."
Last week, Dr. Hardy Limeback addressed his faculty and students at the
University of Toronto, Department of Dentistry. In a poignant, memorable
meetng, he apologized to those gathered before him.
"Speaking as the head of preventive dentistry, I told them that I had
unintentionally mislead my colleagues and my students. For the past 15 years, I
had refused to study the toxicology information that is readily available to
anyone. Poisoning our children was the furthest thing from my mind."
"The truth," he confessed to me, "was a bitter pill to swallow.
But swallow it I did."
South of the border, the paradigm shift has yet to dawn. After half a century
of delusion, the CDC, American Dental Association and Public Health stubbornly
and skillfully continue to manipulate public opinion in favor of fluoridation.
Meantime, study after study is delivering the death knell of the deadly toxin.
Sure, fuoridation will be around for a long time yet, but ultimately its
supporters need to ready the life rafts. The poisonous waters of doubt and
confusion are bound to get choppier.
"Are lawsuits inevitable?" I asked the good doctor. "Remember
tobacco," was his short, succinct reply. Welcome, Dr. Hardy Limeback, to
the far side of the fluoride equation. It's lonely over here, but in our
society loneliness and truth frequently travel hand in hand. Thank you for the
undeniable courage of your convictions.
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Why
Americans Are SHEEPLES: FLUORIDE
Fluoride Is Good For Us Says Government
1 Posted on 03/09/2001 17:54:07 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan (harryc@tcia.net)
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To: Senator Pardek
Comments?
2 Posted on 03/09/2001 17:54:37 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Good post..thanks
3 Posted on 03/09/2001 17:57:52 PST
by RnMomof7
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
We're all gonna die!!!
4 Posted on 03/09/2001 17:58:33 PST
by Brett66
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Dude, that's why my toothpaste has "Do not
swallow" on it, and why there's a fluoride poisoning warning on the box.
Chemicals are chemicals, nothing more.
5 Posted on 03/09/2001 17:58:58 PST
by Hawkeye's Girl
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Mottled and brittle teeth
This happened to my son. We now have pure artesian well water from our own
well in north Florida.
6 Posted on 03/09/2001 17:59:13 PST
by Joan_of_Argghh!
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To: Brett66
Radiation Ovens -
The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
7 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:00:15 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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My children are in their 20's now, but I still recall the
dentist writing a perscription for fluoride when they were toddlers (we lived
in an area without the fluoride water). I threw it away and said no thank you.
They both have fabulous teeth - never had fluoride. I did not like the studies
that I read in the early 80's about it.
8 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:00:36 PST
by TrueBeliever9
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
GuvvminTS*
D@#$%^*& them ALL.....
9 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:00:39 PST
by dishedd
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
""Your well-intentioned dentist is simply
following 50 years of misinformation from public health and the dental
association. Me, too. Unfortunately, we were wrong."
The same can be said for your CPA who does your taxes. He doesn't know the
law exempts a large majority of us from paying taxes, he was just trained to
robotically comply using IRS disinformation publications.
10 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:01:51 PST
by Patriot76
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
You can protect yourself from flouride if you wrap your cup
in tinfoil before taking a drink.
11 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:02:25 PST
by xm177e2
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To: Joan_of_Argghh!
mottled teeth
When Crest first came out when I was a boy, this happened to me. I quit
using it and it went away. I use Tom's of Maine Baking Soda Toothpaste with no
fluoride.
12 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:07:00 PST
by OK
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Thanks for the post and the links.
13 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:07:23 PST
by H_Bunce
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Well, I'm 23, and I've been hearing of this off and on for
a few years. I was waiting before, well, reports with details and studies like
this before making a real judgement on the fluoridization of water. I know that
some cities have had the attitude, "if a little helps, a LOT will help
even more", which is, from a chemistry point of view, very, very dumb.
Obviously damage has been done here. On the other hand people are not dying
left and right, so let's not go overboard. Primarily, I expect civilization to
learn from this error. If all we do is blame and sue, we'll never learn a thing
as we OJ-ize the issue.
14 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:07:45 PST
by J.B.
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To: J.B.
I know that some cities have had the attitude, "if
a little helps, a LOT will help even more", which is, from a chemistry
point of view, very, very dumb.
Good point. I also agree that we shouldn't sue and "OJize" the
issue. We should learn from this.
Always approach government studies with caution. In other words, verify.
Uncle Sam's been lying to us for some time now and his credibility is shot, BIG
TIME.
FRegards, IHC
15 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:11:15 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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But the government was only trying to help! They had the
best of intentions! How can you be against that?!
/sarcasm>
16 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:12:52 PST
by Teacher317
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
It would be helpful if the articles you linked to were
serious scientific research results. Unfortunately they are in the vein of
fluoridation is a communist plot. If there is a legitimate position in all of
this it is deligitimized by the kind of material cited in support.
Even the good Dr. Hardy Limeback, B.Sc., Ph.D. admits right off that he is
not a toxicoligist. He is just realying on his interpretation of the effect of
what he reads on warning labels. What he needs to do, to maintain credibility,
is to point to a recognized expert who has studied it, scientifically, and does
not come across as a raving lunatic. One would hope that the president of the
Canadian Association for Dental Research is not a raving lunatic, but based on
this article, the case is open.
17 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:16:36 PST
by AndyJackson
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To: 2sheep, light rules, rdavis84, baby
freep, stand watch listen, greatspectacular, askel5
FYI
18 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:17:10 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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"I have absolutely no training in
toxicity...."
Go ya one better, Inspector Harry Callahan: physicians have absolutely no
training in health, public, private, or otherwise.
And if they were honest,or even capable of honesty, they would not call it
"Health Care" but, "Illness and Injury" care.
Instead, you will note, the medicos and hospitals are now moving into
"Wellness."
Add "government" to the mix, and what do you get—"Compulsive
Government Wellness Care"—hoho, hehe, hoho...
Best regards. S&W R.I.P.
19 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:18:20 PST
by Hopalong
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
About microwave ovens I have anecdotal evidence. I nuked my
lunch in my microwave and I had a slice of cheese on top of the oven, after
running the microwave for a couple of minutes the cheese was warm! I think I'll
stay back from a functioning microwave oven from now on.
20 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:20:23 PST
by Brett66
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
I read an excellent book years ago, I believe it was dead
Dr's don't lie. Where they basically showed that one of the worst lies and
dangerous additives was flouride and how we've been blaming fast food joints
and fatty foods for years. And yet they did experiments on other cultures like
the ezkimos which main diet consist of whale blubber and pure fat and yet they
almost all live to their 90's and 100's. Some of their main points were the
damage to the vital organs and body that flouride was doing!
21 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:24:04 PST
by GeorgeWashington777
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Our dentist emphasized to use very very very little
flouride toothpaste with our small son. He said, "It's poison". I
really got the impression he would rather us not use it at all.
I've also noticed that the dentists don't give flouride treatments anymore...at
least the last few I've been to. First they went to a paint, then a rinse, and
now nothing.
Besides, I really think the teeth thing has more to do with genetics than
flouride.
22 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:26:08 PST
by TXBubba
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Oh! and the main point being they weren't seeing these in
the areas that hadn't introduced or had flouride in their water. Much longer
& healthier lives!
23 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:26:59 PST
by GeorgeWashington777
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To: Brett66 Inspector Harry Callahan
"We're all gonna die!!!"
YOU gonna Die, me, I'm on an Ozarks DeepWell :-)
24 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:35:07 PST
by rdavis84
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I think you better check the facts about Eskimo's living
into their 90's and 100's......don't think that is true.
25 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:38:00 PST
by goodnesswins
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Flouridate sugar, not water.
26 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:43:50 PST
by aimhigh
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To: TrueBeliever9
This is why I NEVER use toothpaste. (Brushing with plain
soda and salt is all you need to do, and a lot better for your teeth.) SUGAR is
so bad for people's teeth that dentists tell us not to eat candy and sweets,
then APPROVE toothpaste tubes FILLED with it (anything that ends with
"-ose" is a sugar. (Check the ingredient panel of ANYTHING you buy
prepared and pre-packaged and be prepared for a shock.) Why are they forcing
people not only to drink flouride in the city water, but to brush their teeth
with it in their sugar-laced toothpastes, and even putting it into vitamin
pills for little kids?? What GIVES here??
27 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:53:29 PST
by redhead
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Mottled or brown teeth is a well-known phenomenon in areas
where well-water is naturally flouride rich. The Canucks may well spend more
money on this than on tooth decay--because with all that flouride, there ain't
no tooth decay. That's the whole point of adding it to water supplies! Idjuts!
As for the main article, the doc was talking about impurities in the
flouride supplies brought in from Florida, like heavy metals, which are known
toxins and irrelevant to flouride per se.
Sorry, but this was hashed out in the U.S. back in the fifties. As far as I
know, we haven't had any epidemics of flouride poisoning in the U.S. in the
last forty years. Screw it, Cartman, blame Canada!
28 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:55:18 PST
by hinckley buzzard
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" The vast majority of all fluoride additives come
from Tampa Bay, Florida, smokestack scrubbers. The additives are a toxic
byproduct of the super-phosphate fertilizer industry."
I once saw the bagging operation at this plant, where the solid flouride
material was bagged for shipment to Dallas water treating and to ceramic
manufacurers.
The bags to the ceramic manufacturers was marked "poison," but the
bags to water treating were not so marked. They said it would not look very
good for the public to see bags being dumped into the water supply to be marked
"poison."
29 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:56:05 PST
by gatex
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To: goodnesswins
Re: your #25. It USED to be true. As long as Eskimos
remained on their primitive diet, they were literally disease free. They had no
cavities, no heart disease, no high blood pressure, no diabetes, etc. It was
only when they began to eat the introduced, displacing white diet (rice, flour,
sugar, beans) that these diseases began to appear. The interesting thing is
that if the sufferers return to a primitive diet high in the saturated animal
and fish fats that their ancestors thrived on, these symptoms all subsided.
Today's Eskimos mostly eat a White man's diet, and suffer all the White man's
diseases.
30 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:59:17 PST
by redhead
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To: gatex
WOW! Thanks for the FReport. Unreal.
Regards, Callahan
31 Posted on 03/09/2001 18:59:28 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: J.B.
I guess you hold the same views regarding MTBE entering the
drinking water supply of open lakes and now being found in ground wate. I don't
know about you but, I am fed up with government mandated poisoning of the
population on very shakey science.
32 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:05:56 PST
by D Joyce
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Radiation Ovens - The Proven Dangers of Microwaves
BSometer off the scale on this one, Harry.
33 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:08:47 PST
by Erasmus
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To: Brett66
About microwave ovens I have anecdotal evidence. I nuked
my lunch in my microwave and I had a slice of cheese on top of the oven, after
running the microwave for a couple of minutes the cheese was warm! I think I'll
stay back from a functioning microwave oven from now on.
Suggestion. Rerun this experiment without the cheese on top of the microwave
oven. Immediately after the oven stops, feel the top metal surface. Warm? Mine
is.
It is physically impossible for the oven to generate noticeable microwave
field intensity right above the top metal surface of the oven cabinet. If
there's heat there, it's from convection and conduction through the metal
cabinet from inside the oven.
34 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:12:56 PST
by Erasmus
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To: xm177e2
Similarly you can protect yourself from income taxes by
wrapping your 1040 in tinfoil, or your income in tinfoil--then bury it in the
back yard.
35 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:15:28 PST
by ninenot
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Soilent Green is PEOPLE! PEOPLE!
36 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:15:54 PST
by Bullish
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To: redhead
I am emailing this to everyone I know, especially my
friends with little ones.
37 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:19:25 PST
by TrueBeliever9
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To: Brett66
There's a rather solid Ph.D. at U. of Pgh. who maintains
that a little radiation is good for you. Science is called hormesis. Anecdotal,
but the 'spring water' baths which supposedly cured all ills back at the turn
of the century in Waukesha, WI., were spring water, all right, but damn near
glowed in the dark from the radiation. Seems the water flowed through a
bazillion feet of limestone and granite, getting more and more radiant by the
foot. Still a problem--now the tinfoilhat bedwetters got soccer moms all feelng
WORRIED about radon, the gaseous version of granite radiation. Too bad nobody
reads ANYTHING solid anymore...
38 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:21:54 PST
by ninenot
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To: Erasmus
Yeah, convection sounds like a more plausible explanation.
Guess my Nobel prize will have to wait. :-)
39 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:28:56 PST
by Brett66
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To: redhead
I agree about the flour and sugar causing so many problems
and that native diets are probably the best...soooo maybe it's the sugar and flour
causing all the problems with the teeth???? Just a thought. (Dirty little
secret about Type II diabetes is that refined flour is probably the biggest
cause.)
40 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:35:15 PST
by goodnesswins
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To: D Joyce
Well, I'm not a city dweller. My greatest annoyance in life
is that my family's tolerated the decline of the water quality from the tap,
just because they're too cheap to use a filter as good as the one that they had
before. I'll probably get a tap filter soon, but i've had more soft drinks this
year than I've ever had... I shouldn't have to. I'm just saying that I really
don't have the kind of knowledge I would have if I was in a city and hearing
about this sort of thing constantly. I don't like rural Canada, frankly. I'm not
sure how I'd deal with tapwater in a major city, but I'm sure I can find some
kind of accomodation by the time I move to a better location..
41 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:40:44 PST
by J.B.
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To: hinckley buzzard
sorry, off topic, but isn't it about time for them buzzards
to be gittin back to hinckley for a floride party or sumthin?
42 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:45:58 PST
by smallstuff
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Flouride may have made me a zombie, but my smile gets me
laid a lot.
43 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:49:24 PST
by Senator Pardek
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To: all
As to the many many posts recently by the very very conservative
Inspector Harry Callahan, an article by Kimberley Jane Wilson:
Not
Everyone who smiles in your face is your friend.
44 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:51:08 PST
by LarryLied
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I knew you'd come through! LOL!
You disappointed me on the microwave thread. Shame on you, Pardek!
45 Posted on 03/09/2001 19:54:59 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: LarryLied
I appreciate you calling me "very very"
conservative, that's certainly the case, and that linked article of yours was a
good read. But may I ask, what the heck does it have to do with me or anything
on this thread?
Confused greetings, Callahan
(the ultra-conservative that your teachers warned you about)
46 Posted on 03/09/2001 20:01:40 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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Next thing you know they'll be putting this in children's
ice cream.
Nothing but pure rain water and vodka for me.
We must preserve our precious bodily fluids.
OPE
POE
47 Posted on 03/09/2001 20:03:40 PST
by Moonman62
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
I think you are a lefty of course. That is why I am so amused
by your posts.
48 Posted on 03/09/2001 20:04:28 PST
by LarryLied
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I think you are a lefty of course.
Good grief, my FRiend. You have a head wound? Always nice talking with you
but when you get on the whiskey, you're impossible to reason with.
Keep an eye on me...... I'll be the one demanding justice, truth, and the
restoration of our Constitutional Republic.
See ya round, Callahan
49 Posted on 03/09/2001 20:08:26 PST
by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
After voting down fluoridated water at least twice in the
past ten years, San Antonio recently voted on the issue again.
This time the fools voted for fluoridated water.
It's simply forced medication.
50 Posted on 03/09/2001 20:20:29 PST by Liberty2112