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http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/eletters/327/7407/171-a

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Kevin Barraclough
Bullshitting
BMJ 2003; 327: 171-a [Full text]
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[Read Rapid response] Admission of ignorance indicates competence
William Tobin   (18 July 2003)
[Read Rapid response] Ignorance in a Developing Country
Prathima Reddy   (20 July 2003)
[Read Rapid response] Certainty may take some time
Michael L. Loren   (20 July 2003)
[Read Rapid response] I dont know..................so what?
Luxy john, wa5 1qg   (25 July 2003)
[Read Rapid response] giving a diagnosis for LBP
John M Ventura   (28 July 2003)

 


 
Admission of ignorance indicates competence 18 July 2003
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William Tobin,
Senior Lecturer in Physics & Astronomy
Christchurch, New Zealand

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As a patient, the words from a doctor that give me most confidence--- if not used too often---are "I don't know".

This is because the professional who is secure in his or her competence will never hesitate to admit the limits of expertise. The corollary is that when such a professional says he or she *does* know, one can believe it.

Also useful is "I don't know---go and look it up on the Internet yourself!"

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Ignorance in a Developing Country 20 July 2003
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Prathima Reddy,
Consultant - Obstetrics and Gynaecology
St Martha's Hospital, Bangalore - 560001, India

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I returned to India three years ago after training and working in the UK for nine years.

I noticed that many of my colleagues (especially the junior ones) found it difficult to say to a patient "I do not know".

When questioned about this they gave me the following answers:

* "I do not know" is unacceptable to most patients

as they perceive it as a mark of one's inefficiency

* I may lose my patient to another doctor who can

answer all their questions

I see a lot of patients who are uneducated and expect miracles from doctors. But with patience and time they reconcile themselves to the fact that we are not God. And in the long run appreciate you for your honesty.

A small minority of course, move onto doctors who can answer all their questions - truthfully or not.

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Certainty may take some time 20 July 2003
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Michael L. Loren,
Assistant Clinical Professor, University of Kansas
Independence, MO 64057

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It is better to say that you suspect a diagnosis but you are not sure, yet. We are not expected to have an immediate diagnosis at every encounter. Sometimes a followup visit with more history will clarify a diagnosis. Time may improve our accuracy.

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I dont know..................so what? 25 July 2003
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Luxy john,
specialist registrar
warrington general hospital , warrington, cheshire,
wa5 1qg

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The "i dont know"clause is perceived as a negative attribute in the developing world where patients dont understand why a fully qualified doctor having practised for 20 odd years still has to look into a book (usually the BNF or the local variant) to prescribe a drug- even penicillin by some these days!!

Specialisation has increased the incidence of the phrase in question and is perceived as a very acceptable loophole (atleast in medical circles) for the "general physician with an interest in everything else except the patients' current ailment!!"

If something does not form part of your daily working knowledge, it becomes part of the "I dont know" area. Examiners these days are satisfied even if doctors dont know the answer but know where to find them. "I would phone the drug information department" - 10 marks!

The way the world is going I feel that even when talking to patients, probably the important bit is what you say after your favourite clause... I dont know, but will find out from..... 10 marks! patient is willing to wait till you find out from the chest physician what antibiotic to prescribe for moraxella catarrhalis

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giving a diagnosis for LBP 28 July 2003
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John M Ventura,
clinical instructor, University of Rochester School of Medicine, Dept of Family Medicine
Rochester Chiropractic Group 1687 English Rd Rochester, NY 14616

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Studies which have looked at patient satisfaction relative to LBP have consistently ranked chiropractors higher than medical physicians. When the specific variables which account for this disparity were analyzed, they consisted of the following: chiropractors more frequently provided a cause for the pain, more often provided advice on home management; patients also felt medical physicians were less confident in their diagnosis and management and showed less concern.(1)

Providing a likely tissue of origin for the mechanical LBP isn't an insurmountable task, though there does exist an inordinate amount of variablity in this process. What is neededed is a diagnostic classification system for mechanical LBP, that may or may not include tissue specific etiology. We have proposed a functional diagnostic classification system utilizing information from the Quebec Task Force on LBP and a model proposed by Wadell.(2)

Sincerely,

John M Ventura, DC
private practice of chiropractic
clinical instructor, dept of family medicine, University of Rochester School of Medicine
adjunct assistant professor, New York Chiropractic College

(1).Cherkin DC, MacCornack FA, Berg AD. Managing low back pain-a comparison of the beliefs and behaviors of family physicians and chiropractors. West J Med 1988; 149:476-80.

(2)Ventura JM, Justice BD, Ianelli G. Developing a quality based chiropractic practice. Chiropractic Technique 1997; 9(4):157-61.

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